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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions? |
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hummingbird
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
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So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
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Same thing happens with my Sansa e260+2GB microSD card.
I have no solution but I don't find the delay too problematic.
If the machine readied itself 5 secs sooner, what would you do
with those 5 secs? |
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hummingbird
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
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On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
Same thing happens with my Sansa e260+2GB microSD card.
I have no solution but I don't find the delay too problematic.
If the machine readied itself 5 secs sooner, what would you do
with those 5 secs?
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Further: you could have multiple microSD cards which you plug in at
will. If the Sansa retained its index listing, how would it cope when
you changed the card? |
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Odd Bob
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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pianowow <pianowow@gmail.com> wrote in news:1178735900.371499.116830
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So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
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Probably no reviewer took the trouble to simply try out an SD card, but just mentioned the capacity
instead. Right now, with current firmware, there's no way around this problem, except to not use the
card. I have an 8 gig e280 plus a 2 gig card, and I just live with the delay. Nothing else to do right now.
I heard a rumor that the 1.03.01 firmware has somehow overcome this problem, but God only knows
when it's going to come out. The latest release, a couple weeks ago, was 1.02.18, which so far as
anyone can tell, doesn't do anything different from the previous release. Go figure.
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pianowow
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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Odd Bob wrote:
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pianowow <pianowow@gmail.com> wrote in news:1178735900.371499.116830
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
Probably no reviewer took the trouble to simply try out an SD card, but just mentioned the capacity
instead. Right now, with current firmware, there's no way around this problem, except to not use the
card. I have an 8 gig e280 plus a 2 gig card, and I just live with the delay. Nothing else to do right now.
I heard a rumor that the 1.03.01 firmware has somehow overcome this problem, but God only knows
when it's going to come out. The latest release, a couple weeks ago, was 1.02.18, which so far as
anyone can tell, doesn't do anything different from the previous release. Go figure.
-- Bob
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How can I tell what firmware version I'm using? I know it's not the
latest. Are there some release notes? What did they fix? |
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pianowow
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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hummingbird wrote:
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
Same thing happens with my Sansa e260+2GB microSD card.
I have no solution but I don't find the delay too problematic.
If the machine readied itself 5 secs sooner, what would you do
with those 5 secs?
Further: you could have multiple microSD cards which you plug in at
will. If the Sansa retained its index listing, how would it cope when
you changed the card?
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When I'm walking down the road and turn it on, I have to keep it in my
hand and look at it every now and then to see if it's finished
"refreshing" a database that should have been saved the last time I
turned it off. I would much rather turn it on, press play and put it in
my pocket in a matter of seconds.
It can't be that hard to store some info as to the contents of the card
on the built-in flash memory. When it starts up, it could do a quick
check to see if the card that's in the reader matches what it thinks it
should be. That would be much faster than building the database from
scratch. |
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Phil Ross
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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pianowow" <pianowow@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g-WdndAjR6UIyNrbnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
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How can I tell what firmware version I'm using? I know it's not the
latest. Are there some release notes? What did they fix?
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Settings-->Info will list the version, memory, etc. The Anything But iPod
site has an excellent Sansa forum at
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9 where you can get
all sorts of tips and information about your Sansa.
Phil |
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hummingbird
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:15:08 -0400 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
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hummingbird wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
Same thing happens with my Sansa e260+2GB microSD card.
I have no solution but I don't find the delay too problematic.
If the machine readied itself 5 secs sooner, what would you do
with those 5 secs?
Further: you could have multiple microSD cards which you plug in at
will. If the Sansa retained its index listing, how would it cope when
you changed the card?
When I'm walking down the road and turn it on, I have to keep it in my
hand and look at it every now and then to see if it's finished
"refreshing" a database that should have been saved the last time I
turned it off. I would much rather turn it on, press play and put it in
my pocket in a matter of seconds.
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So would I. Perhaps you didn't get my previous comments...
The microSD card slows it down because the player has to check the
card at boot up and create an index file for the contents, so that it
can display the contents and let you select stuff in the menus etc.
But it has no way of knowing the contents before boot-up because
you may have switched cards since the last time you used it.
For safety the developers obviously decided to do it this way.
When you change the contents of the inbuilt memory and then
disconnect it from your PC, it creates a new index file at that time
automatically; you may have noticed. That's fine because it knows
you can't change the contents of that unless it's turned on so it can
store an index file safely.
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It can't be that hard to store some info as to the contents of the card
on the built-in flash memory. When it starts up, it could do a quick
check to see if the card that's in the reader matches what it thinks it
should be. That would be much faster than building the database from
scratch.
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Yes I agree. It could in theory store an index file of the last card
used and only re-create a new one if the card has changed.
Whether that would reduce the 'time to live' is open to question.
Could it check all the contents of a 2GB microSD card in less time
than it takes to write a new index file? Maybe.
Another solution would be to use faster memory on the cards or
a faster processor chip. That's more expensive.
Meanwhile, you have one of the best players available IMHO  |
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Odd Bob
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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pianowow <pianowow@gmail.com> wrote in
news:g-WdndAjR6UIyNrbnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
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Odd Bob wrote:
pianowow <pianowow@gmail.com> wrote in news:1178735900.371499.116830
@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted? Is
there anyway around this? The startup time (time from power button
"on" until the player is able to play music) is way too long, in my
opinion. Before, it was tolerable. Now it's almost unbearable.
No review I've ever read mentioned this. Any suggestions?
Probably no reviewer took the trouble to simply try out an SD card,
but just mentioned the capacity instead. Right now, with current
firmware, there's no way around this problem, except to not use the
card. I have an 8 gig e280 plus a 2 gig card, and I just live with
the delay. Nothing else to do right now.
I heard a rumor that the 1.03.01 firmware has somehow overcome this
problem, but God only knows when it's going to come out. The latest
release, a couple weeks ago, was 1.02.18, which so far as anyone can
tell, doesn't do anything different from the previous release. Go
figure.
-- Bob
How can I tell what firmware version I'm using? I know it's not the
latest. Are there some release notes? What did they fix?
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You can tell the FW version by going into Settings and looking under Info. It's probably either .12 or
..15, which are pretty much the same, except in .15 they changed the spaces so it looks like all the
words are crushed together. Sigh. As for release notes, the company making the FW doesn't do that.
Nobody's quite sure what .18 fixes because of this, as it doesn't seem to do anything different and
most of the bugs appear to still be there.
It's stuff like this that makes it difficult for me to recommend the Sansa to other people. I live with
these problems and don't worry about them too much, but others might find them intolerable, and I
don't like pissing off people when I'm actually trying to help them.
One thing I can safely recommend is joining us on www.anythingbutipod.com, where you'll find lots of
answers and plenty of knowledgeable people as well. You can even find out where to get a copy of
the 1.03.01 beta to try out, if you feel brave enough, and plenty of help in case your player gets
seriously screwed up.
Anyway, hope that helps!
-- Bob |
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El Kabong
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:15:08 -0400 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
hummingbird wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted?
[snip]
Another solution would be to use faster memory on the cards or
a faster processor chip. That's more expensive.
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Yet another solution might be for the good folks at SanDisk to have the
player retain an index of the SD card, then check a date-time stamp on the
card to see if it has been modified since last use. Not a major change, I
would think, but, not being a programmer, I could be wrong.
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Meanwhile, you have one of the best players available IMHO
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Absolutely true!
I love my e280 and, best of all, when tech support at Rhapsody (RealMedia)
led me into a freeze-up of the player--then hung up on me because they
thought they'd trashed it, the *very* good folks at SanDisk stuck with me
until it was fixed. (Had to reformat)
I love them, too!
El |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:51:27 GMT 'El Kabong'
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"hummingbird" <hummingbird@2die4.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:15:08 -0400 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
hummingbird wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted?
[snip]
Another solution would be to use faster memory on the cards or
a faster processor chip. That's more expensive.
Yet another solution might be for the good folks at SanDisk to have the
player retain an index of the SD card, then check a date-time stamp on the
card to see if it has been modified since last use. Not a major change, I
would think, but, not being a programmer, I could be wrong.
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That's surely a good idea and probably not a major change to the
Sansa software code.
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Meanwhile, you have one of the best players available IMHO :-)
Absolutely true!
I love my e280 and, best of all, when tech support at Rhapsody (RealMedia)
led me into a freeze-up of the player--then hung up on me because they
thought they'd trashed it, the *very* good folks at SanDisk stuck with me
until it was fixed. (Had to reformat)
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Good to hear that. I only use mine to load up my own MP3s so I
haven't been near any on-line services.
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I love them, too!
El |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Sansa e250 with microSD card |
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"hummingbird" <hummingbird@2die4.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:51:27 GMT 'El Kabong'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
"hummingbird" <hummingbird@2die4.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:15:08 -0400 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
hummingbird wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:40:26 +0100 'hummingbird'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
On 9 May 2007 11:38:20 -0700 'pianowow'
posted this onto alt.music.mp3.hardware:
So I have a Sansa e250, and I bought a microSD card to double its
capacity. So now I have 4 gigs worth of mp3 files.
Before, when I turned it on, it booted up and was ready to go. Now
that I've added the microSD card to the mix, it has this "Refresh
Database" popup, and makes me wait before I can do anything. Can it
not simply save the database every time the card is inserted?
[snip]
Another solution would be to use faster memory on the cards or
a faster processor chip. That's more expensive.
Yet another solution might be for the good folks at SanDisk to have the
player retain an index of the SD card, then check a date-time stamp on the
card to see if it has been modified since last use. Not a major change, I
would think, but, not being a programmer, I could be wrong.
That's surely a good idea and probably not a major change to the
Sansa software code.
Meanwhile, you have one of the best players available IMHO :-)
Absolutely true!
I love my e280 and, best of all, when tech support at Rhapsody (RealMedia)
led me into a freeze-up of the player--then hung up on me because they
thought they'd trashed it, the *very* good folks at SanDisk stuck with me
until it was fixed. (Had to reformat)
Good to hear that. I only use mine to load up my own MP3s so I
haven't been near any on-line services.
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I think that is what made the situation so infuriating... that's all I do,
too. But the focus at Rhapsody is to sell music rather than help you manage
what you have. I'm still looking for the ideal music manager... one that
lets me rip CDs, import from a turntable or mixer via line-in, make play
lists, transfer the playlist to my e280, and not just the songs but the play
list too, and burn CDs.
I really don't give a fig about buying unusable MP3's from an overpriced
music service that doesn't even carry the kind of music I like. So far the
closest to that is, unfortunately, the well-bloated Windows Media Player.
BTW, I use my e280 at the local Public Radio station where I am a volunteer
host with an adapter cable (3.5mm stereo to two XLRs) for a two hour program
of Jazz and Big Band. At 160 Kbps, no one has ever noticed the music isn't
coming from the CDs.
El |
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